it seems our miss Tish's boss, one Julie Moss, got word of what she had done. Apparently she was not very pleased. I have received an email from Ms. Moss apologizing for what Tish head done in deleting all of my comments. Wow! A journalist with some integrity? We can certainly hope so. I'll have more when I get time to post Ms. Moss's email. It can be found in the comments of the previous post. My crimes apparently were that I didn't roll over a play dead and gave it back better than our resident fascists dished out. Some kind soul might do me the favor of sticking it up Mistress Clara and stinkray's nether regions.
And the hilarity continues! It seems one of our not so illustrious attack-dogs from the McClatchy are not to happy about either Ms. Moss apologizing to me for Tish Wells having deleted my posts in a wholesale manner or that I continue to write about their particularly reprehensible behavior.
Either way the response is predictable. One of them (I suspect stingray68) attempted to post a comment to this post with one of their delightful expletives in the form of a personal characterization. What a surprise I know. Funny how they all seem so eager make the switch to fraudbook on the McC site wherein they will allegedly be required to use their "real names" and yet they attempt to post anonymously on mine! Again a real surprise I know.
I am in the process of composing a response to Ms. Moss's letter to me and I will post it when I have completed it and sent it to her.
Monday, September 30, 2013
Friday, September 27, 2013
Speaking My Mind and Defending Myself at McClatchy Gets Me Banned. Shocking I know!
In a recent post I went into how certain leftists can't help exposing their inner selves. To no ones surprise and at the intervention of the moderator/web editor at the McClatchy DC website I have been banned. Not only was I banned, but all my comments were removed kind of like a Stalinist era airbrushing of a deposed former "Hero of the Soviet Union". See what standing up to vile accusation gets you? I sent her the following letter.
To:Tish Wells, McClatchy dc web editor:
And here I was, after reading your personal profile, thinking that perhaps this Ms. Wells is a professional person and could be someone with whom I might reason and I was going to do a polite and reasoned de-construction of your letter. But then two things happened, or was it three?
Firstly I re-read your note informing me of my having been banned (that was a first at least) and your reasons for it. I soon realized however that I had to question the hesitancy you claimed. You might note that I have been the subject of attack for nothing more than expressing an opinion contrary to the orthodoxy held by certain of the denizens of the McClatchy boards.
I came aboard to do nothing more than express an opinion on various stories. I almost immediately came under attack. Not attacks on the position or perspectives I presented but rather personal attacks upon my personality, character, judgment and intelligence.
Not a single one of these denizens (and you know of whom I speak) attempted to do anything that came close to a deconstruction or argument by counter point, but rather almost as if by reflex action the accusation of “fascist” was hurled at me as if that were some magic potion that makes offending opinion and those who dare speak it run to the hills or melt away like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Much to their chagrin I then committed the cardinal sins of both claiming that fascism is a product of the political left and being able to back up the contention with references to original source documents and quotations from the period. Did this lead to any of our leftist friends to reconsider or engage in a reasoned debate on the subject? Of course not, all it got was further, even more vitriolic name calling and childish statements of no more substance than “that’s not what I was told in school so you must be wrong.”
I then proceeded to firstly demonstrate all the points of commonality between fascism/national socialism and communism/international socialism. I then delineated that the only significant difference between them was a philosophical one revolving around the use of or the destruction of national identity as a tool in furtherance of constructing a global socialist state. I further showed that Stalin and the Soviets quickly abandoned their position on this argument and adopted the “nationalist” positions and the methods of the Nazis as soon as the first Panzers started crossing the Russian Steeps. Again I sourced period materials.
It was at this point that the attacks against me began to broaden into the unacceptable. Certain attacks of a political nature I can take and return in kind without so much as batting an eye. But when they sink so low as to make baseless accusation such as that I must be a pedophile or attacks on my family members who have nothing to do with any of this, accusations that they must spend a lot of time under psychiatric care simple because of who his father is. At such a point then it is they, not I, who have crossed the line into the realm of uncivilized and wholly unacceptable behavior. They “declared war” on me and demonstrated it by attacking “defenseless civilians” as it were.
Perhaps before you condemned my retaliatory actions in response to this you should have asked yourself; How you would I feel if such accusations had been directed at me and my family? My responses to them certainly became more acerbic no doubt, and pointed to their own natures as fascists (gmartini’s statements that she would turn the power of the state against me in order to suppress my opinion) was particularly revealing. She followed that up by saying that she could “see a FEMA camp in my future”. That certainly sounds like a threat. Ask yourself; just who was it that was doing all the flagging and making the request to you that an individual be banned?. You know perfectly well that it wasn’t me.
But enough of that digression, let’s get back to your letter.
"Various readers have requested that I blacklist you for many of your comments over the last couple of weeks. I have resisted because you used (emphasis mine) to make good points.
We are moving to Facebook on Tuesday, October 1st. If you chose to comment then, under your full name, (emphasis mine) then come on back.”
Have a good day -- Moderator/McClatchy
(Before going any further you might consider the most famous, in recent history at least, of the authoritarian “blacklist”.)
Since when then did I stop making good points? Since when did my condemnations of their vile accusations ever reach gutter level that is shown by gmartini and stingray68? Never. So what if I called gmartini a bee itch. Such euphemistic constructions are used all the time to get around embedded filters. Since when does that reach the level of the accusations of pedophilia?
I have told them both, and repeatedly so, that if they want to hurl the fascist accusation at me they had best be prepared to define the term and defend their use of it. Neither of them has dared to take up that challenge. Instead they just repeat the accusation like some Goebbels inspired "big lie," if repeated often enough, it becomes true.
So now let’s get to the point that has me truly upset, even more so than the vile nature of gmartini’s and stingray68’s underhanded and personal attacks. That being, what you have done. I’m not talking about being banned from the web pages of McClatchy’s Disqus system. I’m talking about you having gone back through the files and deleting every post I have made on a wholesale basis, even those that had nothing to do with any remarks made by me about the two aforementioned characters – everything! I also noted that their responses to me were left intact.
So I am going to ask you a very serious question. Whether you answer me or not is not of concern, it’s the answer you give yourself that is far more important. So here it goes:
Please tell me or justify to yourself your actions. How is it any different from the action of the Nazis or the Stalinists who would airbrush out the images of any former “Hero of the Soviet Union” or “Defender of the Fatherland” from public archives just as soon as they fell into disfavor with Stalin or Hitler? They had the “power” to do it and to make them disappear, and they used it. Is this the kind of action you take pride in or have received praise for? Just what in god’s name does do this have to do with any kind of stretch of the meaning of “journalistic ethics”?
I’m not asking you to reinstate my profile (kind of moot with but 3 days remaining before the change over, but I am asking you to do a little self examination and ask yourself if you really think you took the “high road” here?
Consider also that some of the finest pieces of political satire and criticism of government throughout history have been written anonymously, precisely because governments, all governments grow more centralized and tyrannical with time, and as they do so they have less and less of a sense of humor or tolerance of those critics. Nowadays government has more power than ever before to pry into our personal and secret lives and do so with impunity. Think of George III's hated “Stamp Tax” that was used as pretext to enter into people’s homes with self written warrants to search for “untaxed” documents” particularly those of a political nature.
All this makes even the preservation of even the smallest sense of anonymity that much more important. You won’t be seeing my presence on facebook or twitter under my real name or any other. Having worked inside the beltway for 10 years (TS-SCI W/SBI & PGE) I know exactly what upstream is and how it works. I won’t be so foolish as to step into those jaws.
Lastly I’d ask you to go back to the top of the McClatchy web page and read that “Truth to Power” motto they have there. Does it really mean anything, or is it just empty rhetoric and sloganeering?
Sincerely.
FVS (Joe Martin's Ghost)
I am not going to hold my breath waiting for a response from one twells@mcclatchydc.com but it might be fun if some of my readers dropped her a line just to say hello. What pieces of your minds you decide to give her is entirely up to you. If you do please leave a copy in the comments below.
An open minded journalist? Decide for yourself.
To:Tish Wells, McClatchy dc web editor:
And here I was, after reading your personal profile, thinking that perhaps this Ms. Wells is a professional person and could be someone with whom I might reason and I was going to do a polite and reasoned de-construction of your letter. But then two things happened, or was it three?
Firstly I re-read your note informing me of my having been banned (that was a first at least) and your reasons for it. I soon realized however that I had to question the hesitancy you claimed. You might note that I have been the subject of attack for nothing more than expressing an opinion contrary to the orthodoxy held by certain of the denizens of the McClatchy boards.
I came aboard to do nothing more than express an opinion on various stories. I almost immediately came under attack. Not attacks on the position or perspectives I presented but rather personal attacks upon my personality, character, judgment and intelligence.
Not a single one of these denizens (and you know of whom I speak) attempted to do anything that came close to a deconstruction or argument by counter point, but rather almost as if by reflex action the accusation of “fascist” was hurled at me as if that were some magic potion that makes offending opinion and those who dare speak it run to the hills or melt away like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Much to their chagrin I then committed the cardinal sins of both claiming that fascism is a product of the political left and being able to back up the contention with references to original source documents and quotations from the period. Did this lead to any of our leftist friends to reconsider or engage in a reasoned debate on the subject? Of course not, all it got was further, even more vitriolic name calling and childish statements of no more substance than “that’s not what I was told in school so you must be wrong.”
I then proceeded to firstly demonstrate all the points of commonality between fascism/national socialism and communism/international socialism. I then delineated that the only significant difference between them was a philosophical one revolving around the use of or the destruction of national identity as a tool in furtherance of constructing a global socialist state. I further showed that Stalin and the Soviets quickly abandoned their position on this argument and adopted the “nationalist” positions and the methods of the Nazis as soon as the first Panzers started crossing the Russian Steeps. Again I sourced period materials.
It was at this point that the attacks against me began to broaden into the unacceptable. Certain attacks of a political nature I can take and return in kind without so much as batting an eye. But when they sink so low as to make baseless accusation such as that I must be a pedophile or attacks on my family members who have nothing to do with any of this, accusations that they must spend a lot of time under psychiatric care simple because of who his father is. At such a point then it is they, not I, who have crossed the line into the realm of uncivilized and wholly unacceptable behavior. They “declared war” on me and demonstrated it by attacking “defenseless civilians” as it were.
Perhaps before you condemned my retaliatory actions in response to this you should have asked yourself; How you would I feel if such accusations had been directed at me and my family? My responses to them certainly became more acerbic no doubt, and pointed to their own natures as fascists (gmartini’s statements that she would turn the power of the state against me in order to suppress my opinion) was particularly revealing. She followed that up by saying that she could “see a FEMA camp in my future”. That certainly sounds like a threat. Ask yourself; just who was it that was doing all the flagging and making the request to you that an individual be banned?. You know perfectly well that it wasn’t me.
But enough of that digression, let’s get back to your letter.
"Various readers have requested that I blacklist you for many of your comments over the last couple of weeks. I have resisted because you used (emphasis mine) to make good points.
Since you are upset by their comments, where I note you have often given as good or more than you have received, I will remove you.
We are moving to Facebook on Tuesday, October 1st. If you chose to comment then, under your full name, (emphasis mine) then come on back.”
Have a good day -- Moderator/McClatchy
(Before going any further you might consider the most famous, in recent history at least, of the authoritarian “blacklist”.)
Since when then did I stop making good points? Since when did my condemnations of their vile accusations ever reach gutter level that is shown by gmartini and stingray68? Never. So what if I called gmartini a bee itch. Such euphemistic constructions are used all the time to get around embedded filters. Since when does that reach the level of the accusations of pedophilia?
I have told them both, and repeatedly so, that if they want to hurl the fascist accusation at me they had best be prepared to define the term and defend their use of it. Neither of them has dared to take up that challenge. Instead they just repeat the accusation like some Goebbels inspired "big lie," if repeated often enough, it becomes true.
So now let’s get to the point that has me truly upset, even more so than the vile nature of gmartini’s and stingray68’s underhanded and personal attacks. That being, what you have done. I’m not talking about being banned from the web pages of McClatchy’s Disqus system. I’m talking about you having gone back through the files and deleting every post I have made on a wholesale basis, even those that had nothing to do with any remarks made by me about the two aforementioned characters – everything! I also noted that their responses to me were left intact.
So I am going to ask you a very serious question. Whether you answer me or not is not of concern, it’s the answer you give yourself that is far more important. So here it goes:
Please tell me or justify to yourself your actions. How is it any different from the action of the Nazis or the Stalinists who would airbrush out the images of any former “Hero of the Soviet Union” or “Defender of the Fatherland” from public archives just as soon as they fell into disfavor with Stalin or Hitler? They had the “power” to do it and to make them disappear, and they used it. Is this the kind of action you take pride in or have received praise for? Just what in god’s name does do this have to do with any kind of stretch of the meaning of “journalistic ethics”?
I’m not asking you to reinstate my profile (kind of moot with but 3 days remaining before the change over, but I am asking you to do a little self examination and ask yourself if you really think you took the “high road” here?
Consider also that some of the finest pieces of political satire and criticism of government throughout history have been written anonymously, precisely because governments, all governments grow more centralized and tyrannical with time, and as they do so they have less and less of a sense of humor or tolerance of those critics. Nowadays government has more power than ever before to pry into our personal and secret lives and do so with impunity. Think of George III's hated “Stamp Tax” that was used as pretext to enter into people’s homes with self written warrants to search for “untaxed” documents” particularly those of a political nature.
All this makes even the preservation of even the smallest sense of anonymity that much more important. You won’t be seeing my presence on facebook or twitter under my real name or any other. Having worked inside the beltway for 10 years (TS-SCI W/SBI & PGE) I know exactly what upstream is and how it works. I won’t be so foolish as to step into those jaws.
Lastly I’d ask you to go back to the top of the McClatchy web page and read that “Truth to Power” motto they have there. Does it really mean anything, or is it just empty rhetoric and sloganeering?
Sincerely.
FVS (Joe Martin's Ghost)
I am not going to hold my breath waiting for a response from one twells@mcclatchydc.com but it might be fun if some of my readers dropped her a line just to say hello. What pieces of your minds you decide to give her is entirely up to you. If you do please leave a copy in the comments below.
Thursday, September 19, 2013
Each and Every Day .....
Each and every day I become more convinced that leftists either never heard of the concept of unintended consequences, they simply don't care or are completely incapable of seeing anything beyond a hedonistic desire for what they think will be emotionally satisfying in the moment. I can only guess this is what passes for normal in their closed little worlds as most of them have only been taught what to think not how to think.
My case in point being all the parrot squawking about "extortion". One inside the beltway talking head speaks the word and they all start squawking in unison as if on cue. The latest mime being that the Republicans and/or the Tea Party are ready, willing and wanting to shut down the entire government in order to get Obamacare defunded. There are even some who earnestly hope that it happens as they see that as the death knell of the Republican Party and that that would clear the way for their long hoped for one-party state! I'd ask one of these idiots if they are insane but I doubt they could even define the term.
It's bad enough that for leftists compromise means others acceding to their desires, never the other way around. But I don't think they can even begin to grasp what it means that under a one-party state there is no one left to debate with never mind compromise with.
Ok. So just for gits and shiggles let's say that is exactly just what transpires. What happens from there? The Republicans stand their ground, America's debt or at least a substantial portion of it goes into default and the ensuing political and economic pressure results in every welfare queen (no money for EBT, SNAP etc) union member (because they're told to) and college campus moron (again because they are told to) marches and riots in the streets. The chaos results in either massive losses at the polls for Republicans or the imposition martial law and they are physically removed to placate the rioters. Then what? Do these fools think that we could then just pick up where they left off and put the printers at the Eccles Building into hyper drive and everything will be "back to normal"?
Latin America is still in the process of getting out from under succession after succession of one-party state dictatorships, Africa has barely started, Eastern Europe has only recently escaped the yoke of one-party state communism and Western Europe is in the midst of a liquidity crisis even worse than our own. Seeing the United State devolve into a one-party state is not going to inspire them with confidence that they should continue to keep buying US debt paper. Just the opposite in fact. After just seeing the value of what they already hold fall to a fraction of it's face value they are not going to look at this as some sort of BTFD situation. They'll be out looking for suckers to buy what they already have and they'll take what ever they can get for it and they won't be accepting US dollars.
Next they will be telling the us that they are not going to be accepting US dollars for oil or cars or any of that junk we stock the shelves at Wal-Mart and Bed, Bath and Beyond with either, including food. They will be asking for gold and they won't be accepting any of those gold plated tungsten bars either.
But what the heck the Democrats will have their one-party state and that's all that matters right? What could possible go wrong with that?
My case in point being all the parrot squawking about "extortion". One inside the beltway talking head speaks the word and they all start squawking in unison as if on cue. The latest mime being that the Republicans and/or the Tea Party are ready, willing and wanting to shut down the entire government in order to get Obamacare defunded. There are even some who earnestly hope that it happens as they see that as the death knell of the Republican Party and that that would clear the way for their long hoped for one-party state! I'd ask one of these idiots if they are insane but I doubt they could even define the term.
It's bad enough that for leftists compromise means others acceding to their desires, never the other way around. But I don't think they can even begin to grasp what it means that under a one-party state there is no one left to debate with never mind compromise with.
Ok. So just for gits and shiggles let's say that is exactly just what transpires. What happens from there? The Republicans stand their ground, America's debt or at least a substantial portion of it goes into default and the ensuing political and economic pressure results in every welfare queen (no money for EBT, SNAP etc) union member (because they're told to) and college campus moron (again because they are told to) marches and riots in the streets. The chaos results in either massive losses at the polls for Republicans or the imposition martial law and they are physically removed to placate the rioters. Then what? Do these fools think that we could then just pick up where they left off and put the printers at the Eccles Building into hyper drive and everything will be "back to normal"?
Latin America is still in the process of getting out from under succession after succession of one-party state dictatorships, Africa has barely started, Eastern Europe has only recently escaped the yoke of one-party state communism and Western Europe is in the midst of a liquidity crisis even worse than our own. Seeing the United State devolve into a one-party state is not going to inspire them with confidence that they should continue to keep buying US debt paper. Just the opposite in fact. After just seeing the value of what they already hold fall to a fraction of it's face value they are not going to look at this as some sort of BTFD situation. They'll be out looking for suckers to buy what they already have and they'll take what ever they can get for it and they won't be accepting US dollars.
Next they will be telling the us that they are not going to be accepting US dollars for oil or cars or any of that junk we stock the shelves at Wal-Mart and Bed, Bath and Beyond with either, including food. They will be asking for gold and they won't be accepting any of those gold plated tungsten bars either.
But what the heck the Democrats will have their one-party state and that's all that matters right? What could possible go wrong with that?
How long will it take for this to turn into .....
This?
Tuesday, September 17, 2013
A Typical Lefist Exposes Their Inner Fascist.
I recently had the following exchange on the McClatchy news site with a California leftist anti-gun zealot. She became upset apparently when I said that if she lived next door to me I'd put up a sign declaring that my home was protected by a legal, trained and proficient fire arms owner but that my neighbor's was not and that I further promised not to use my legally owned weapons to protect them no matter how loud they screamed. She responded by saying that if she were my neighbor she would seek to unleash any and all possible means of legal harassment upon me. I then asked if she would then get as obnoxious with the police (name calling and other such verbal abuse) as she does with anyone with whom she disagrees on the board, when they told her to stop filing false reports. I further asked her to let me know, if she could, as I would like to set up bleachers and sell refreshments to watch the show that would be created by her confrontation with a bunch of cops who were as emotionally stunted as she is.
She goes by the handle gmartini on Disqus, I go by FVS
gmartini: "Hamilton: (she calls me that because of my self declaration as a Hamiltonian Constitutionalist another concept she has yet to grasp.) Do you really believe that the police is (sic) who handles code violations and regulations? No---in my city, we call building inspectors, code enforcement, parking enforcement, nuisance (which you are) abatement, etc---If I lived next door to you or even near you, you could expect, without a doubt, that any and all of these agencies would be all over your lying behind. But, this is all moot. I would never live in some forsaken RED State and you would not live in CA...so moot!" (Forgive her her bad syntax even though she is one of that boards spelling and grammar Nazis. Every board has at least one.)
This was my response
FVS: "Congratulations! So then you are indeed (and I'll include stingray68 in this as he endorsed your little rant) a perfect example of the classic, textbook, leftwing fascist who would use the power of the state to suppress free speech and contrary opinion and incarcerate those you don't like for political reasons. In other words you are the very antithesis of what being an American means.
"They say confession is good for the soul but I've never heard of a repentant fascist.
"Whereas the classical liberal would quote Voltaire; "I disagree with what you say sir, but I would defend to my death your right to say it." You then display all the traits of the fascist who falls right in line with the theme of the 1934 Nazi Party convention; "We Command the State!" You epitomize Joseph Goebbels statement "We came to power legally in order to gain the possibility of acting illegally."
"In fact I'm going to quote your post and this response in a new post at the top (both here and repeatedly) so any and all can see that a typical leftist really is a despicable fascist. You will stand convicted (just like the Nazis) by the words out of your very own mouth."
She can count on me following up as I can (and will be) relentless in my hatred and exposure of fascists and what they really are.
She goes by the handle gmartini on Disqus, I go by FVS
gmartini: "Hamilton: (she calls me that because of my self declaration as a Hamiltonian Constitutionalist another concept she has yet to grasp.) Do you really believe that the police is (sic) who handles code violations and regulations? No---in my city, we call building inspectors, code enforcement, parking enforcement, nuisance (which you are) abatement, etc---If I lived next door to you or even near you, you could expect, without a doubt, that any and all of these agencies would be all over your lying behind. But, this is all moot. I would never live in some forsaken RED State and you would not live in CA...so moot!" (Forgive her her bad syntax even though she is one of that boards spelling and grammar Nazis. Every board has at least one.)
This was my response
FVS: "Congratulations! So then you are indeed (and I'll include stingray68 in this as he endorsed your little rant) a perfect example of the classic, textbook, leftwing fascist who would use the power of the state to suppress free speech and contrary opinion and incarcerate those you don't like for political reasons. In other words you are the very antithesis of what being an American means.
"They say confession is good for the soul but I've never heard of a repentant fascist.
"Whereas the classical liberal would quote Voltaire; "I disagree with what you say sir, but I would defend to my death your right to say it." You then display all the traits of the fascist who falls right in line with the theme of the 1934 Nazi Party convention; "We Command the State!" You epitomize Joseph Goebbels statement "We came to power legally in order to gain the possibility of acting illegally."
"In fact I'm going to quote your post and this response in a new post at the top (both here and repeatedly) so any and all can see that a typical leftist really is a despicable fascist. You will stand convicted (just like the Nazis) by the words out of your very own mouth."
She can count on me following up as I can (and will be) relentless in my hatred and exposure of fascists and what they really are.
Leftists, Guns and Fetid Dreams of Social Control.
Immediately in the wake of the latest firearms tragedy, this time at the Washington Navy Yard, we quite predictably get another wave of urban leftists and political hacks who want to blame conservative states for their gun violence problems.
Those other states haven't supplied anything. INDIVIDUAL CRIMINALS made straw purchases (itself an illegal act) and then either themselves or in concert with other INDIVIDUAL CRIMINALS carried them into California and other states to supply them to another set of INDIVIDUAL CRIMINALS. INDIVIDUALS committed these crimes, not the states of Virginia or North Carolina or any other, INDIVIDUALS. It's not the states of Arizona or Oklahoma that are committing daily drive by shootings on the streets of Chicago or Detroit or Los Angles. It's INDIVIDUALS.
It's exactly like as with prohibition. Where there is a will there is a way. If the idiot left succeeds in imposing their utopian gun ban fantasy on an unwilling public They won't have to contend with semi-automatic AR15s and 9mm Glocks in the hands of registered owners, but fully automatic unregistered and illegal Sten Guns and Metral submachine guns that any competent machinist and sheet metal worker can make by the dozen. All the plans are available on line and there a millions of surplus machine tools available for little more than a song. Not to mention all the unemployed industrial workers that would love to make a few extra bucks turning them out.
Just as moonshine stills dotted the rural countryside during prohibition, the basement machine shop will dot the American landscape if the government bans personal firearms. Ask the Israelis how it works. A large percentage of the small arms they used to fight off the Arabs in their war of independence were produced, illegally, in underground workshops in the period between 1945 and 1948.
But then liberals and leftists are idiots, always have been and always will be. Reality and human nature do not enter into their calculations of self-righteousness and fascist social control. Unintended consequences are the last thing that crosses their mind.
Those other states haven't supplied anything. INDIVIDUAL CRIMINALS made straw purchases (itself an illegal act) and then either themselves or in concert with other INDIVIDUAL CRIMINALS carried them into California and other states to supply them to another set of INDIVIDUAL CRIMINALS. INDIVIDUALS committed these crimes, not the states of Virginia or North Carolina or any other, INDIVIDUALS. It's not the states of Arizona or Oklahoma that are committing daily drive by shootings on the streets of Chicago or Detroit or Los Angles. It's INDIVIDUALS.
It's exactly like as with prohibition. Where there is a will there is a way. If the idiot left succeeds in imposing their utopian gun ban fantasy on an unwilling public They won't have to contend with semi-automatic AR15s and 9mm Glocks in the hands of registered owners, but fully automatic unregistered and illegal Sten Guns and Metral submachine guns that any competent machinist and sheet metal worker can make by the dozen. All the plans are available on line and there a millions of surplus machine tools available for little more than a song. Not to mention all the unemployed industrial workers that would love to make a few extra bucks turning them out.
Just as moonshine stills dotted the rural countryside during prohibition, the basement machine shop will dot the American landscape if the government bans personal firearms. Ask the Israelis how it works. A large percentage of the small arms they used to fight off the Arabs in their war of independence were produced, illegally, in underground workshops in the period between 1945 and 1948.
But then liberals and leftists are idiots, always have been and always will be. Reality and human nature do not enter into their calculations of self-righteousness and fascist social control. Unintended consequences are the last thing that crosses their mind.
Ban the legal and registered ownership of this.
And you will get an explosion of illegal ownership of this.
All it takes is one of these,
one of these.
and one of these.
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